There have been a few different incidents over the past couple of weeks that have led to a rash of ill-advised online discussions in which men circle around to contemplate amongst themselves how women being sexually harassed/raped/abused in public should figure out how to protect themselves from that kind of thing. First, there was this article about Korean police blaming women for being raped, which led to a bizarre mixture of foreign men tsking at backwoods Korean culture and sexist Korean men while the comments on every site I saw featuring the article quickly began to fill up with other Western men defending this line of thinking. At almost the exact same time, this story about a foreign teacher getting busted with a shocking amount of upskirt videos taken on public transport came out, and now that Korean men weren't involved at all, it became all about how Korean women can't expect this not to happen considering the fact that they dare to wear skirts and appear in public at the same time.
Finally, the big thing this week is this shocking, disgusting fucking bullshit video of two foreigners behaving worse than dogs. Which most people, thankfully, are outraged about. But there are still those dribbly lipped hanger-onners who refuse to let go of the mindset that this is their golden opportunity to educate the female masses about stranger danger and that ol' devil's brew. This is it. This is their time to shine. They have an idea -- a notion. A revelation. They have something that all the women need to hear, and by God, they are going to make sure all the women hear it.
In every single one of these conversations that I've seen, not one single woman has been involved in the "short skirts are a no-no" bullshit condescending lecturing. In fact, not many women have bothered to get involved at all, probably because they know it's an uphill battle they won't win. A lot of men, in fact, have been stepping up to argue back, and the only women who have jumped in have all been saying the exact same thing: Stop addressing what the women did wrong in these situations. Which only results in the circling back to misandry and how saying that men shouldn't blame women for their own sexual assault is actually -- hold on to your hats -- really mean toward men. Because they deserve to have their opinions and not be interrupted with the females answering back. Because telling men they are wrong about anything is basically just reverse sexist. Men deserve to be able to explain women's lives to women without their input, because they are men. Whimper whimper.
Look, I'm going to keep this short and sweet: When you jump into a conversation about women being raped, assaulted, abused and harassed in public and the first notion that occurs to you is to dust off your little top hat, climb atop your overturned milk crate and start explaining that short skirts, drinking alcohol and being female all at the same time basically creates these scenarios, you are a fucker. You are a fucker, because you are essentially turning a situation where men have behaved lower than animals into an opportunity to talk down to women. You've scanned this situation with a judicious eye and decided that.... yeah, actually it's the women who need my expert behavioral correction in this situation.
That makes you a fucker for two reasons: 1. You assume that somehow, although men are the parties who are behaving like dogs in these situations, it is women who need to be guided. If you ask me, if I were going to do something as asinine as build a lecture for the masses out of an incident where one woman wore a skirt and one man broke the law by sticking his phone up her skirt to take a photo, I might feel more like the category that could use some fucking assistance would be the men. But not these guys. No.
The reasoning behind this is simple: Men don't need to be lectured by other men, because men are adults who understand things. Women, on the other hand, can't understand things for themselves and they need a man to explain things to them.
2. We fucking know. Thank you. Asshat. We know. We know that if we wear a short skirt, a man might see that as an invitation to think of us as public property. We know that if we have one drink too many, or lose our friends in the crowd, or don't walk down the right street going home, or get into the wrong taxi, or accept an invitation to conversation with the wrong man, or dance the wrong way, or stand the wrong way, or sit the wrong way, or direct our eyes in the wrong way.... we might get raped, assaulted or harassed. We know. We know that even if we leave the house in a head-to-toe body suit we might get raped. We know that if we spend the night sipping on a soda and happen to turn away from our glass for two seconds, we might get raped. We know that even if we stay inside our houses with all of our doors and windows locked, we might get raped.
So thank you. For your fucking advice. I hope it made you feel better to say it. I hope you feel like you've done your manly duty explaining the world to the women, who could put an end to all of this sexual harassment, assault and rape if only they would stop being mean and take your advice without interrupting you. After all, you've put a lot of thought into this. Maybe not as much as the women who live in this world every day, but you kind of scanned the article and made a post online about the first thing that occurred to you, and that in and of itself deserves acknowledgement and respect. The kind that a man gets for having a thought, parting his lips and letting it dribble out.
You are a fucker.
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Oh I love this so much. Every word. 'You are a fucker' Yes.
The misogyny on that board (and in that video, which was just brutally dehumanizing and frightening) was just OTT. And the mansplainers! Amazing.
Take a look at this example of classic "mansplaining" that came up on my tumblr dash.
The latter point is the one that always gets me.
"I'm just warning them to be careful." Like, thanks dude? Of the people on the planet who have to fucking deal with this stuff on the regular and are probably thoroughly well versed on all the dumb shit they have to be careful about lest they get blamed for it, this is a pretty big one. They know already, dudebro.
"When you jump into a conversation about women being raped, assaulted, abused and harassed in public and the first notion that occurs to you is to dust off your little top hat, climb atop your overturned milk crate and start explaining that short skirts, drinking alcohol and being female all at the same time basically creates these scenarios, you are a fucker."
You are a woman after my own heart, INP.
That video was fucking horrendous. The fuck gets into these assholes?
Bravo INP...makes my posts on the subject look like the 4 minute rant that it was.
i need this on my tumblr TT
I don't go to Dave's ESL that much, so I'm just curious.
1) How do you know that half of the posters are Koreans and Korean Americans?
2) What are the kind of things that they say that make them even worse than the expats?
JiaKempes's comment has been deleted. I don't have time for boring, stupid conversations about how Koreans are sexist and Westerners aren't in such an obvious situation. It's disrespectful when someone has spent as much time as I did explaining something to crash in with such drooly commentary. Learn how to read; THEN start commenting on blogs. Let him go have that chat at the bar with his mates. It's not happening here. I don't have time for it. He must think I'm stupid if he thinks I can't figure out whether the commentary I'm reading is coming from Koreans or Westerners (when I actually read a lot of comments in *both* languages).
Looks like all this was nothing but fiction designed to get "blown out of proportion" reactions by the "so-called" director of the vile video: http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20130723000781
What people should be really outraged about is how quickly people are to judge without getting all the facts first!
I sure hope I never have to justify my actions based off of someone's shoddy smartphone camera footage that probably missed the opening salvos in whatever led to the recording in the first place. As teachers, and parents, know, many times the kid that is caught behaving badly wasn't the actual instigator.
Same thing with this video, the ones behaving truly badly were the ones doing the filming and uploading of this garbage. However, the damage has been done (here and even in the Washington Post) as no one will remember anything else about this work of fiction other than it was actually true in their pea brains that think everything the Internet spews out is nothing but akin to Gospel.
John, I really wonder sometimes why you read this blog. Your comments are almost always completely unrelated to the posts that I've actually made, and are just some kind of lengthy ramble off in your own direction, addressing nothing in particular that's been said here. Not to mention, you probably have realized by now that I'm not a sympathetic ear to the "poor, poor men" argument in most cases.
This post is about the comments that were left all over articles and discussions about that video and a few other incidents. So unless you can prove that all of the hundreds of comments were faked, I'm really not sure what your point is. Do you have anything to say that's on topic? If not, feel free to continue the pity party for hard-done-by-in-society men on your own blog. I'm more concerned with the very real, very widespread misogyny and rape culture this video dragged out into the daylight for everyone to see, because that actually hurts women. And not just their feelings, like this video evidently hurt yours.
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