tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21444271.post2825083539949142023..comments2023-11-03T22:34:56.656+09:00Comments on I'm no Picasso: THE Myth, Part III: In which I'm no Picasso grows a pair.I'm no Picassohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06516337555349888808noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21444271.post-43401858832912904922015-02-10T17:47:24.588+09:002015-02-10T17:47:24.588+09:00Find best online jobs ever where you can earn mont...Find best online jobs ever where you can earn monthly earning without any risk, part time data entry copy pasting and facebook jobs, Join now<br /><a href="http://bit.ly/IncomeCorner" rel="nofollow">RapidIncomeCorner.com</a> tleviou<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14478542890581512020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21444271.post-44343872693468140042010-10-12T13:46:20.024+09:002010-10-12T13:46:20.024+09:00I know the very look you mean ~ like they ate some...I know the very look you mean ~ like they ate something a little beyond its "best consumed by" date that hadn't really gone bad, and they're keeping it down, but they just got a whiff of it in a silent, tamped-down burp.<br />And then, of course, there's that look of vague confusion and surprise on everybody's face, Korean and non-Korean alike, when they realize the man you've been babbling about is Korean. If they're really bold, they follow up "Oh, so he's Korean?" with "He must speak English really well, thanks to you!"Gomushin Girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06480861544911964833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21444271.post-48575919844393930392010-10-12T13:08:33.309+09:002010-10-12T13:08:33.309+09:00It's definitely location. In Seoul, and other ...It's definitely location. In Seoul, and other cities I feel like there are enough foreigners around that there's a decent mix of nationalities, genders, world views, etc. so that no one can form these little enclaves of bad behavior quite so easily. Things being what they were when I first came to Incheon, there were not many foreigners around at all, and they were all male, and they were mostly all of one mindset. And the ones who weren't when they arrived quickly adapted to fit in with the pack. <br /><br />A big result of that was the behavior I've described. They had literally no interaction with women whatsoever -- not Korean women, and not foreign women. They mostly went to work where they didn't really interact with anyone, went out to the bar where they only interacted with each other, went to bed, woke up, repeated. They literally just seemed like they couldn't even remember what proper behavior even was. <br /><br />But I think they were probably just bold enough to express thoughts that I'm sure a lot of men actually have. Like I said, even with the good guys, you can nearly always see a bit of something cross their faces when you first mention dating a Korean guy. Even if they have the good sense not to actually say it.I'm no Picassohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06516337555349888808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21444271.post-20291023541635182192010-10-12T11:22:07.678+09:002010-10-12T11:22:07.678+09:00Returning more to the topic . . .
How much do you ...Returning more to the topic . . .<br />How much do you think your experience of being harrassed by non-Korean males while with your Korean dates is due to location? I've experienced relatively little overt commentary here in Seoul when out with my boyfriend, from either side of the nationality fence. <br />My boyfriend says that his friends are all incredibly, insanely curious about how he managed to land a foreign chick, and want to know if I have single friends.Gomushin Girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06480861544911964833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21444271.post-1076745937467176222010-10-12T07:35:49.172+09:002010-10-12T07:35:49.172+09:00Right? I think it's a combination of these peo...Right? I think it's a combination of these people getting it into their heads that Korea doesn't count as the real world and their just dirtbags in general. <br /><br />No fucking manners. Those poople.<br /><br />I've got to think of a magazine I could send my article to now. I'm thinking along the lines of salon.com.MikejGreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499618417606590867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21444271.post-27092644261783398482010-10-12T07:26:57.899+09:002010-10-12T07:26:57.899+09:00Well, I don't go to the Goose anymore. And I h...Well, I don't go to the Goose anymore. And I haven't been out around a bunch of foreign guys for a really long time, either. So who knows. Anyway, that night was probably the time I was the most ashamed of being a foreigner ever. Ever. I don't know how people get it in their heads that it's okay to behave the way that they do, anywhere, in any country, in regards to anyone. No matter how drunk you are.I'm no Picassohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06516337555349888808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21444271.post-38429401433437061212010-10-12T07:03:30.422+09:002010-10-12T07:03:30.422+09:00Hah. Good to know. No more loud South African guy ...Hah. Good to know. No more loud South African guy shouting in Goose Goose about god knows what?<br /><br />Or some loud asshole delivering the classic, "Do you think Korean girls masturbate more than Japanese girls?"MikejGreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499618417606590867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21444271.post-25362596292496330572010-10-12T06:56:03.783+09:002010-10-12T06:56:03.783+09:00I'm no picasso,
I'm sorry but i 100% unde...I'm no picasso,<br /><br />I'm sorry but i 100% understood what you were saying But honestly you're getting me completely wrong because I dont feel like the women in these comments are making my experiences invalid and i dont feel like your controling what im trying to say. If you think I think that I'm sorry but you're completely wrong. Its quite the opposite.<br /><br />Ill leave it at that and I look forward to your future posts !<br /><br />ThanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21444271.post-85993443711163715732010-10-12T06:33:51.157+09:002010-10-12T06:33:51.157+09:00Anon -- Sigh. I think you're being defensive. ...Anon -- Sigh. I think you're being defensive. I said diplomatic because you gave me the room to actually explain what I meant, whereas palladin didn't. I wasn't implying anything. And apparently you still don't understand the point we're trying to make about why men don't need to express their experience every time they have the opportunity to do it. You still want to make it about how the women in these comments are trying to control what you say and make your experience seem invalid because of your gender. Which, you know, since you're so sensitive to that, then I really am honestly glad you're *not* a woman. I don't think you'd last long. <br /><br />No disrespect meant by this. Honestly. But I just give up trying to explain something that men don't want to understand, so long as it 'hurts their feelings'. <br /><br />Mike -- It's not actually like this out in the world much anymore, and when it gets that way, it's not hard to put people in their place. The ones who really quick up a fuss (as you can plainly see) are generally not terribly bright.I'm no Picassohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06516337555349888808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21444271.post-31777261266277037712010-10-12T04:32:11.797+09:002010-10-12T04:32:11.797+09:00I've gotta say, reading these comments makes m...I've gotta say, reading these comments makes me glad that I'm not there anymore. <br /><br />I feel like you should make a video post of a comedy routine in the manner of an 80's comedian's "White people are like this, but black people are like this!"<br /><br />I dunno. <br /><br />I live in Portland now so who the fuck knows?MikejGreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499618417606590867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21444271.post-50393773878762080362010-10-12T00:27:25.995+09:002010-10-12T00:27:25.995+09:00I'm no picasso,
You're Point is 100% clea...I'm no picasso,<br /><br />You're Point is 100% clear!!<br />TO answer your questions I actually don't normally read of partake in discussions about foreign men and korean women ( You obviously have a fair bit of experience!!!) I'm aware of the situations and peoples reputation and read a bit here and there but definitely not to the point that you have experienced it. You seem to think that i read up lots about the subject and im somekind of male expert on the matter =p. I don't!!! Honestly, perhaps I've been sheltered way to much over the last 5 years of being in korea but I've heard/read about just as many times women complain about their situations. To be fair , Its probably due to the fact that I only have 1 close foreigner guy friends and 4 close female foreigners. And I hope me mentioning this doesnt come across as me thinking that women foreigners complain too much. Its far from the truth! I'm more than happy to hear about you're problems!!<br /><br />I never said the situations between males and females should be equal I believe palladin did. I in no way think that guys have it equally bad as women and I'm not trying to prove otherwise... <br />I hope you can believe me when i say that i think you bring up a very good point that women dont have it equal to males. And its totally disrespectful for a guy to interject and say " guys have it just as bad too". And you're right no matter how much i try to understand your situation I'm never fully going to "GET" it for the simple fact that im not a woman in korea!!! I assumed wrong that i was aloud to put a neutral comment on here( which was NEVER about males vs females) it was just about general HATE in the expat community and how i felt bad that the situations were the way they are.)<br /><br />No need to pull out the "diplomatic" word as i think i've conducted myself fairly well? I didnt swear, i didnt name call and I certainly dont disagree with anything you have said or talked about. I hope in future post we can discuss general matters in a neutral way without it being about either males or females!!! I regret having put my point of view in this particular post...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21444271.post-73522475239421450512010-10-11T23:34:39.722+09:002010-10-11T23:34:39.722+09:00Anon -- I don't think my comments are 100% cle...Anon -- I don't think my comments are 100% clear, either, and I *am* a native English speaker. So. <br /><br />In fact, I was just coming back to clarify quickly, that what my point actually was is that it's *not* equal. Yes, we all have our struggles, and yes it's something we all need to work on together. But the point is, how many times have you seen posts or articles or comments or heard or had conversations about the struggles and stereotypes of foreign men with Korean women? How many times have you heard foreign men complaining and pointing out how Korean men will interrupt and disrespect foreign male/Korean female interaction? Which are all legitimate points, and not behavior I agree with. <br /><br />But how many times have you heard the other side? How many conversations among women about the struggles *they* have with interracial dating in Korea have you heard? And I understood from the very beginning what your intentions were, and that's why I hesitated to point it out. But the ultimate point is, now the predominate number of comments in response to this post, which was made in hopes of opening up dialogue about something that just isn't discussed that often, have switched to the focus of how women aren't fair to men. *Yet* again. That is really fucking frustrating. No matter what anyone's intentions were. <br /><br />Was the point I was trying to make. So no, your intention wasn't bad. And neither is the intention of the guy who plucks up the courage to walk across the bar and try to start a conversation with a woman he wants to talk to. But sometimes, it's good to stop and think about what that might be like for the woman, and adjust your intentions. <br /><br />I'm really not trying to harp on about this, but I do want to try to make it clear, in a diplomatic way, so that maybe men can try to have a little more respect and restraint in future dialogue. Sometimes, because things *aren't* equal, you have to step back and just let women have their say without interjecting. Not because your issues aren't just as valid, and not because women can't benefit from connecting with men, and not because we can't all benefit from being more connected to and understanding of each other, but just because sometimes women don't get to have their say. We get shouted down a hell of a lot all over the internet, and out in the real world as well. Sometimes it's okay to just let us at least stay on the topic of our own experiences. <br /><br />Anyway, I'm glad to have you reading. And I do thank you for the opportunity to try to make something understood that I think is hard for even really, really good men to understand sometimes.I'm no Picassohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06516337555349888808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21444271.post-68987670764377475092010-10-11T23:11:15.178+09:002010-10-11T23:11:15.178+09:00I'm no picasso,
When i said "i understan...I'm no picasso,<br /><br />When i said "i understand" It wasnt meant towards " i understand women" =p. I absolutely have no clue how it feels to be a women in korea and based on your well written anecdotes It gives me an inside peak at what you women have to deal with. What i do understand is the frustration of having something happen over and over and over and over again and being pissed off about it. No one should have to deal with that kind of harassement and women deserve and have the right to vent about it just as much ( or even more ) than the guys. <br /><br />With that being said. Again my post wasn't meant to divert anything back to males. After reading your posted I just wanted to comment about how i find THe hate to be ridiculous in our expat community. ( which to me I dont think I went offtopic). By stating that I'm not siding with females or males but rather just expressing my observations/ideas. <br /><br />Yes I'll never know what you and other women go through but still doesnt change the fact that regardless of me being male or not I THINK the expat community overall needs a dose of reality so to speak.<br /><br /> I'm definitely not above anyone in this situation and I'm not trying to seperate myself or trying to make myself look good. I think what you girls go through is ridiculous and shouldn't be happening. Can we fix this problem? Probably not =p. <br /><br />To me its definitely an interesting subject to read about and I like your blog so if you'll let me I'll be sticking around and looking forward to your future posts. <br /><br />Anyways I forgot to mention, that an other reason why im not an english teacher is because I'm not even an English Native speaker which might be why my posts arent 100% clear and to the point. You wouldnt want me to teach english in korea....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21444271.post-63791315602083425362010-10-11T22:37:15.778+09:002010-10-11T22:37:15.778+09:00Anon -- While I don't really agree with Gomush...Anon -- While I don't really agree with Gomushin Girl about you having to prove that you're a nice guy to me, because I do believe that it's wrong to come at someone -- anyone -- with an aggressive attitude before you've even heard anything come out of their mouth, I do still think that she makes a fair enough point about men needing to feel included and be acknowledged in absolutely every single conversation women start about their own experience. It never fails. And no, you don't understand it, because you haven't experienced it. Much as men generally don't understand what the "big deal" is about some guy shouting sexual innuendo at women on the street. Because you don't deal with it day in and day out. Imagine a world dominated by conversation by women, about women, with no consideration for men whatsoever most of the time. Imagine being constantly told that anything you have to add, or any objection you make to this is just "emotional" or "overreaction" because men have trouble with logic, and just react to everything with their feelings. Now imagine just once, trying to express your own experience in your own venue in your own way. Suddenly, women come tramping in to point out that women *also* have those struggles. It's not about one conversation, or one anecdote off of you. It's about a constant issue we deal with all of the time, sometimes from men who aren't so pleasant about it. <br /><br />It's like when I get a little snappy with a guy who offers to buy me a drink at the bar. My guy friends jump on my ass about it, and no, he didn't mean any harm, and he was just trying to be nice. But when you've spent the entire evening just trying to relax and have conversation with your friends, and you've not even looked in any man's direction, and you've been constantly interrupted all night long by men who want to join you, and then sneered at when you politely decline, eventually you just get fucking fed up with it. Men have a legitimate hard time understanding how something that seems (and for intention's sake, is) innocent enough to them, and women's reactions to it. Because they don't experience it all the fucking time without end and with no respect for or control over the fact that you just want it to, just this once, just stop!I'm no Picassohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06516337555349888808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21444271.post-78826828708307788572010-10-11T22:24:35.719+09:002010-10-11T22:24:35.719+09:00What a fucking mess.
Palladin -- Suggest away. L...What a fucking mess. <br /><br />Palladin -- Suggest away. Look, it's not my personal job to re-educate you. You say fucked up things about women. You feel the need to try to sneak your arguments in under the guise of being somehow balanced and "logical", when to me, frankly, you seem quite incapable of basic logic. A prime example being that somehow quoting loads of stats about Western country obesity rates somehow backs up your original claim that Korean men *only just seem* to not be attracted to Western women because all 5 of your male Korean friends aren't, because Western women are fat. Then backing it up with paragraphs of nonsense, expecting me to somehow consider it logic, when you've failed to actually manage any considering that those stats also apply to MEN from Western countries. And how ludicrous would it be for me to turn around and go, "Oh um gee like I dunno like I just think maybe some people are confused because Western men are largely obese and Korean women are used to higher standards in regards to bodies, because Korean men keep their weight under control and go to the gym and get six packs, so Korean women expect better. That's why I think some people may believe that Korean women just aren't attracted to Western men." <br /><br />That is basically stunningly retarded, is it not? And I think it's great that you 'respect' my blog, but I don't respect you. And I don't need to take condescending suggestions off of you about how to behave. I don't care whether you respect me or not -- your respect means nothing to me. I don't know how to be more clear about this. Sorry. Apparently, although you've learned your way around 'handling' Korean women, you apparently haven't quite got it down with Western women yet.I'm no Picassohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06516337555349888808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21444271.post-33022062332894929122010-10-11T22:09:25.805+09:002010-10-11T22:09:25.805+09:00Gomushin Girl,
I'm not trying to get accepted...Gomushin Girl,<br /><br />I'm not trying to get accepted by you or anyone. Or want you girls to think I'm a "cool dude". <br /><br />Look, I can tell this is a touchy subject to you. Yet you still don't get my point. I've been agreeing with EVERYTHING Im no Picasso is saying about non koreans dating korean guys. AGAIN unfortunate that the situation is like that!<br /><br />I find it VERY odd that both me and Palladin AGREE 100% with this dating situation and it is a crappy deal that you have to deal with this kind of stuff. I think the problem you're having is that I'm a male who responded to a non male problem / situation. I regret having put my anecdotes up there and having said I'm a male. I know you're used to having guys trying to get all the attention and belittling the women but by giving my point of view previously and you thinking I'm trying to divert/dismiss INP's points wasn't my intention at all and I'm sorry you took it that way. I'm afraid you're reading too much into this and putting me into the wrong catagory.<br /><br />One of the ideas i was trying to get across was that as an Outsider to the English teacher world ( please dont assume this means I have no respect for english teachers because its quite the opposite. Is it really hard to believe what I'm a white guy in korea not teaching english yet I would still like to be friends with other girls and guys of my own race who teach english??? If i had a problem with english teachers i wouldnt want to be friends with them), There seems to be A LOT of HATE between MALE and female English teachers ( read carefully here WHICH INCLUDES THIS WHOLE DATING DEBATE BETWEEN NON KOREAN WOMEN DATING KOREANS AND EVERYTHING THAT IT ENTAILS!!!) Can we not agree that this HATE should stop? Its absolutely not OK in my eyes!<br /><br />If you will how about we forget Im a "male" and you forget about the story I said about me and my wife. And imagine what I wrote was coming from a female. ALLLLL i was saying is that I AGREE WITH I'M no PICASSO ( about women dating korean guys!!!!) And that kinda of behavior from white guys should stop all together! ( and VICE VERSA)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21444271.post-27783241445226183722010-10-11T14:09:00.539+09:002010-10-11T14:09:00.539+09:00I was referring to you criticizing then dismissing...I was referring to you criticizing then dismissing another posters comment. Then twisting it into some sort of retarded sexist situation. The dude was just commiserating with how screwed up people can act.palladinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17991559032581262637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21444271.post-30095980507164104012010-10-11T14:04:50.280+09:002010-10-11T14:04:50.280+09:00I should probably just leave this for INP, since s...I should probably just leave this for INP, since she's more than capeable of putting this kind of argument in its place (aka the dustbin), but . . .<br /><br />Equality does not mean giving equal validity to all arguments at all times. Just because INP is discussing her experiences and her views of the way people treat non-Korean women who come here and date or are interested in Korean men does NOT mean that men are entitled to turn the conversation into one about how they're mistreated, too, in order to have "balance."<br /><br /><br />@Anon ~ I'm sure you're a cool dude and all, and didn't realize how annoyed many of us ladyfolk get when the conversation gets sidetracked this way. <br /><br />@ palladin: You want to talk about your [BONERS]? Get your own blog and mansplain away.Gomushin Girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06480861544911964833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21444271.post-44696025587435949862010-10-11T13:17:41.329+09:002010-10-11T13:17:41.329+09:00Very interesting, INP writes serial post about bad...Very interesting, INP writes serial post about bad experiences to vent / demonstrate something foreign girls experience while being in Korea. Anon any myself agree with her and express / share things we go through and experience as well. Gomushin gets defensive / exasperates on how we "men" shouldn't be changing the topic.<br /><br />Look we're either equal or we're not, make up ya'lls mind already. Both men and women go through their own sets of difficulties and annoyances through out life, much of which is made more prominent / difficult when living in a foreign country. I'd suggest everyone respect each others life difficulties and stop getting hurt feelings. Hopefully we can discuss these things without it getting out of hand.<br /><br /><br />INP I suggest you read the reply on the previous post. Your very wrong with the assumptions you make towards me. And while normally I ignore people who do that, your intelligent enough that you should know better. Please stop taking an out of context comment and twisting it as such.palladinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17991559032581262637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21444271.post-91757304045201257212010-10-11T12:14:36.189+09:002010-10-11T12:14:36.189+09:00Im no picasso,
You're right!!!I dint mean to ...Im no picasso,<br /><br />You're right!!!I dint mean to take anything away from your post. And i understand how frustrating it would be to hear males complain about it all the time.. I dint mean to come to your blog and turn it back towards the male point of view. Unfortunately you do have male readers ( like me =p). <br /><br />Again, I'm sorry women have to go through the situation you describe! I didnt think before i posted a comment and absolutely didnt mean to come across as " women do it to". I was trying to be neutral and stating that both guys and girls shouldn't be judging each other based on ridiculous stereotypes..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21444271.post-88385487606872560902010-10-11T12:06:09.351+09:002010-10-11T12:06:09.351+09:00Gomushin Girl ,
You dont have to get all defensiv...Gomushin Girl ,<br /><br />You dont have to get all defensive about whatever I say. and if you reread my post. I'm in no way trying to bring things back to foreign males. I was trying to be neutral.... My posts are about how Both FEMALE and male seem to be treating each other badly based on stereotypes ( which include the whole dating issue between non korean females trying to date koreans.) AS i stated i cant relate because I'm a female but I definitely dont agree with how come foreign males treat females... <br /><br />In the end ITs not about ME GETTING treated badly. I JUST hate that Everyone gets treated badly ( wether you're a female with a korean boyfriend , male with korean girl friend ect..).. We shouldnt be treating each other this way and I just think its ridiculous that the situation is coming down to this. I hate it that foreign women get treated like shit by their male counter parts because they have korean boyfriends. Its ridiculous a white male would treat any female the way you both have experienced it. It definitely shouldnt be that way at all......<br /><br />Personally people can date who they please. I never judge and i think everyone should mind their own business on the matter Female and male. <br /><br />believe me, I dont think im cooler than anyone because I'm not an english teacher. You have stop assuming things soo much. I just state that im not an english teacher to give a different point of view. The reason I'm not an english teacher is because I'm not qualified to be an english teacher , I've no interest to teach because I'm pursuing my own career goals and I dont have a university degree meaning I cant legally do it. I have nothing but respect towards teachers ( the good ones =p) ITs just not something meant for me. Is that hard to beleive? I know you've probably heard it a million times on DAVES how people think english teachers are losers ect.. BUt i really dont care about that stuff.. I'm as neutral as it comes... People Assume too much and its got to stop....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21444271.post-58980914345176441032010-10-11T11:53:22.662+09:002010-10-11T11:53:22.662+09:00Anon, Gomushin Girl does have a point which I held...Anon, Gomushin Girl does have a point which I held back from commenting on before, which is that.... it's really frustrating that the whole point of me making these posts is to point out something that men largely want to pretend doesn't exist, something that women get shouted at when they try to express it. I can't tell you how many times I've had men get ENRAGED when I bring this up, not even about them, but just in general trying to talk about my experience, and have them shout something to the effect of "Foreign men don't care who foreign women date! Korean men can have you! That never happened! You're full of it!"<br /><br />Whereas we DO hear almost NONSTOP about how persecuted foreign men with Korean women are. Nonstop. Everywhere. All the time. That's fully recognized. But also, not what we're talking about.<br /><br />It's frustrating when men can't just hear about a woman's experience without either getting defensive or immediately pointing out that women do it too. We know women do it too. That's not really the point that I'm making. And, while I don't think it was your intention at all, it is frustrating to feel like every single conversation any woman starts about herself or other women has to come back around to being about men.I'm no Picassohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06516337555349888808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21444271.post-8064245902346136632010-10-11T11:37:02.924+09:002010-10-11T11:37:02.924+09:00@ Anon: What I'm saying is that instead of co...@ Anon: What I'm saying is that instead of concentrating on the matter at hand, aka the dating experiences of non-Korean women in Korea, some people are trying to move the topic to "How awful is it that people treat me, a foreign man (and NOT an English teacher! 'cause I'm too cool for that) badly when I'm with my Korean wife/girlfriend, and occasionally don't treat me with the respect and kindness I think I deserve in public!"<br />I'm not saying that these things aren't bad - people shouldn't assume that all foreign guys out with Korean chicks are crazy yellow fever perverts and by and large we should all be courteous and kind to random people we meet on the street if they're not trying to stalk us or expose themselves or otherwise really freakin' creepy. <br />But -<br />It *is* supercalafragalisticixbyannoyingaladocious when a conversation about foreign women and Korean men has to turn back into the ever-present conversation about foreign men ant their troubles. Because believe me, we've heard it. We've heard it on Dave's, we've heard it in the bars, we've heard it from our coworkers, and we've heard it from our good friends who have to put up with all kinds of crap. We sympathize, really. <br />But for one second can the menfolk stop commenting on a post not about them to make it about them? Really? Please?Gomushin Girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06480861544911964833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21444271.post-73688600673548038982010-10-11T11:21:23.484+09:002010-10-11T11:21:23.484+09:00Gomushin Girl
Hey, Same Anon guy as above...
I ...Gomushin Girl<br /><br />Hey, Same Anon guy as above...<br /><br />I didn't come here to complain. I just came here to give a different point of view. And from my point of view ( as a non english teacher. like palladin) It seems like theres something going on inbetween male and female english teachers to treat each other badly on the spot without even knowing each other. I just wish it would stop regardless of who's fault it is and who started what. <br /><br />As an outsider it puts me right in the middle of this conflict and whenever i try to start some random conversation with a female english teacher for the most part I get automatically treated like shit. Theres some white on white hate going on in korea and its ridiculous. YOu dont treat strangers like that where i come from. <br /><br />Look, I'm sorry if you got treated like crap by some ( or a few or a bunch) of white english teachers. INP has some very good points about foreigners in bars. I have to take her word or it because I've never been to a foreigner bar and I'm not a white female who brings korean boyfriends to bars. I honestly wouldnt know...<br /><br />The points I bring up are totally out of context. My main point was just if 2 strangers on the street bump into each other ( one male , one female) and male is lost of needs help with something ( or vice versa) female/ male should treat each other with respect enough to kindly help each other out without any chip on their shoulders. I dont understand why i would need to prove that "i'm a good guy" just to get a civilized answer. The whole point is just to be nice to each other on an initial basis.I never assume some stranger white girl I randomly ask a question to on the street should treat me like I'm a "good guy". BUT I also don't expect to get cold stares , rude answers and mumbles behind my back as I walk away but close enough to hear " what a pervert, I bet he's never had a white girlfriend" when I'm out with my wife. I just expect to get treated in a non biased way... I just really wish the situation wasn't the way it is .That's all. And all i can do to try to improve this situation is to treat the foreign women I do meet / try to talk to in a non biased equal way i would like to be treated like... <br /><br />INP has it right , foreigners BOTH MALES and FEMALES seem to loose a sense of reality when they leave their home countries and come to korea. <br /><br />Can't we all just get alongAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21444271.post-75161091278351099172010-10-11T10:31:07.298+09:002010-10-11T10:31:07.298+09:00Ok, is it not the least bit ironic that foreign du...Ok, is it not the least bit ironic that foreign dudes are already showing up to complain about how non-Korean women don't treat 'em right? Because the important thing to note here is that ya'll have it real tough and we are partially responsible for it, not about the dating experiences of foreign women. <br /><br />I'll tell you why we don't automatically assume you're "one of the good guys" - because you're not, automatically. You do not get a free pass into the friendly zone just because you show up and we share an ethnicity or nationality. Prove it by showing that you're an interesting, good human being and NOT one of the jerks that INP just described. <br /><br />And now back to the main point:<br /><br />Thank you, thank you, thank you INP for distilling so many of my own experiences here (and frankly, back home, where not dating exclusively within your race is so freakishly weird that there must be a deep-seated psychological problem, right?) <br />Ladies, take it from a fat foreign feminist - if you're game, there are people out there who are also game. Find each other.Gomushin Girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06480861544911964833noreply@blogger.com